Is the Sempron 64-bit or not?

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:14:46 +0000, wrote:



  >>
  >> I am a little bit confused... ok, ok, a lot... is the Sempron a 64-bit
  >> processor like the Athlon64?
  >>
 >
 > Is the Sempron 64-bit .. No
 > Does it have advantages over the AXP Range .. Yes (at least I think so) ..
 > If you get a 754 Sempron then you get the onboard memory controller so I
 > think that's pretty good, SktA stuff is going to probably be just as good
 > sticking with AXP's. Wes Hates these Semprons so expect a post from him
 > later.

It's not that I hate them. It's that they are rippoffs. The socket A
models are just Tbred core Athlon XP's with a new name and higher model
numbers than the XP's at the same perfornance level. Amd's way of upping
prices I guess. As an example, a sempron 2800+ sells for $107 and is the
same CPU as the XP 2400+ that sells for $53. Now you can buy an XP 2800+
that would be rated as a 3200+ under the Sempron name for $74. The XP's
rating system compares it to P4's clock speed. The Sempron Rating system
compares it to Celerons (which it totally kills).

Now the socket 754 Sempron 3100+ would be rated as a 2700+ using the
normal A64 benchnarks and value wise it's not a bad deal since it's
actually priced a little lower than the A64 2800+, But it's isn't a 64 bit
cpu and there's something else it's missing compared to the real A64's but
I don't recall at the moment.

The problem I have is that the general public will be buying these
thinking that the Sempron's are a lot faster than they really are because
of the model numbering. People will assume that the model number will be
as compared to the P4 like Athlons when in fact they are in comparison to
Celerons. I think this is going to reflect badly on AMD once the buyer
discovers this, if they ever do.

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I guess that why it makes so confusing to me too!!

SO, anything below Semprons 2800+ are Athlon (kinda) 32 bits...
anything about Semprons 3000+ do have the capabilities of the
Athlon64, in other words, 64 bits... It this correct?

Also, I was under the impresion that you could put a Sempron 2800+ (or
lower) on a Asus A7N8X and one would have 64 bit capability (to run
the windows xp 64 version or Linux 64 bit) Is this correct?

Another-confused-one





On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:20:47 GMT, Wes Newell
wrote:

 >On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:14:46 +0000, wrote:
 >


   >>>
   >>> I am a little bit confused... ok, ok, a lot... is the Sempron a 64-bit
   >>> processor like the Athlon64?
   >>>
  >>
  >> Is the Sempron 64-bit .. No
  >> Does it have advantages over the AXP Range .. Yes (at least I think so) ..
  >> If you get a 754 Sempron then you get the onboard memory controller so I
  >> think that's pretty good, SktA stuff is going to probably be just as good
  >> sticking with AXP's. Wes Hates these Semprons so expect a post from him
  >> later.
 >
 >It's not that I hate them. It's that they are rippoffs. The socket A
 >models are just Tbred core Athlon XP's with a new name and higher model
 >numbers than the XP's at the same perfornance level. Amd's way of upping
 >prices I guess. As an example, a sempron 2800+ sells for $107 and is the
 >same CPU as the XP 2400+ that sells for $53. Now you can buy an XP 2800+
 >that would be rated as a 3200+ under the Sempron name for $74. The XP's
 >rating system compares it to P4's clock speed. The Sempron Rating system
 >compares it to Celerons (which it totally kills).
 >
 >Now the socket 754 Sempron 3100+ would be rated as a 2700+ using the
 >normal A64 benchnarks and value wise it's not a bad deal since it's
 >actually priced a little lower than the A64 2800+, But it's isn't a 64 bit
 >cpu and there's something else it's missing compared to the real A64's but
 >I don't recall at the moment.
 >
 >The problem I have is that the general public will be buying these
 >thinking that the Sempron's are a lot faster than they really are because
 >of the model numbering. People will assume that the model number will be
 >as compared to the P4 like Athlons when in fact they are in comparison to
 >Celerons. I think this is going to reflect badly on AMD once the buyer
 >discovers this, if they ever do.
 >> Stay informed about: Is the Sempron 64-bit or not? 

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:52:13 -0700, newsreader.DeleteThis@valleyroad.com wrote:

 > I guess that why it makes so confusing to me too!!
 >
 > SO, anything below Semprons 2800+ are Athlon (kinda) 32 bits...
 > anything about Semprons 3000+ do have the capabilities of the
 > Athlon64, in other words, 64 bits... It this correct?
 >
No.

 > Also, I was under the impresion that you could put a Sempron 2800+ (or
 > lower) on a Asus A7N8X and one would have 64 bit capability (to run
 > the windows xp 64 version or Linux 64 bit) Is this correct?
 >
No.
 > Another-confused-one
 >
Then read it again. To answer specific question here. No Sempron has 64
bit capabilty The socket A Sempron are nothing more than renamed Tbred's.
The socket 754 Sempron are cut back, overrated, 32 bit versions of the A64
core. but with only 256K cache. I suspect they are a complete new core,
but I haven't investigated it because I'm not interested in them, and no
one else really should be either.

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 >> Stay informed about: Is the Sempron 64-bit or not? 

Darn, AMD really has good marketing, it really got me confused. I
thought sempron was going to be an 32/64 bit intermediate solution for
us that may not be able to afford a new 64-bit system. :^)

My conclusion: Sempron = Caca :^)

Thanks for the clarification...



On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:43:58 GMT, Wes Newell
wrote:


 >
  >> I guess that why it makes so confusing to me too!!
  >>
  >> SO, anything below Semprons 2800+ are Athlon (kinda) 32 bits...
  >> anything about Semprons 3000+ do have the capabilities of the
  >> Athlon64, in other words, 64 bits... It this correct?
  >>
 >No.
 >
  >> Also, I was under the impresion that you could put a Sempron 2800+ (or
  >> lower) on a Asus A7N8X and one would have 64 bit capability (to run
  >> the windows xp 64 version or Linux 64 bit) Is this correct?
  >>
 >No.
  >> Another-confused-one
  >>
 >Then read it again. To answer specific question here. No Sempron has 64
 >bit capabilty The socket A Sempron are nothing more than renamed Tbred's.
 >The socket 754 Sempron are cut back, overrated, 32 bit versions of the A64
 >core. but with only 256K cache. I suspect they are a complete new core,
 >but I haven't investigated it because I'm not interested in them, and no
 >one else really should be either.
 >> Stay informed about: Is the Sempron 64-bit or not? 

schreef in bericht

 > Hi,
 >
 > I am a little bit confused... ok, ok, a lot... is the Sempron a 64-bit
 > processor like the Athlon64?
 >
 > Thanks!
 >
 > P.S.
 > Please post all replies here... my e-mail is not real... sorry... just
 > let me know if you want my real e-mail address... :^)

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